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NAIDA AND RUBINA: WHAT'S BEHIND THE MASK
By Gerdha & Joe7
I. OVERVIEW
Copyright © 2018 Gerdha & Joe7, All Rights Reserved
Article by Gerdha, based on her posts on the french forum originally owned by DJInspace (now disappeared) and on her own analysis.
Notes, images and added considerations by Joe7. I assume any responsibility towards the Authors and I am available to modify the article upon their demand.
All the references to the original content of Ufo Robot Grendizer’s Roman Album are related to its translation in italian language by Stella Di Fleed, which was originally published on www.nagaifans.it (as of today 12/31/2021 no longer active). The analysis / interpretation of the content of Roman Album are the exclusive work by the authors of this article.
1) COPYRIGHT
Since copyright laws do not allow to publish the complete translation of an intellectual work without author's formal permission, with the exception of excerpts for analysis and commentary purpose only, in this dossier I have selected only a few passages of the original Japanese version, which will then be posted here without any lucrative purpose and exclusively for the purpose of analysis. The images on the site are property of the right-holders and these have been collected here for the sole purpose of commentary to the text. All trademarks belong to their respective owners. Each dialogue is divided into two parts: translation and comment.
2) EPISODE CREDITS
EPISODE 25
“A love flower which shines in the sky” (japanese title)
Screenplay: Mitsuru Mashima
Directed by: Tomoharu Katsumata
Artistic Direction: Shingo Araki
Wallpaper Manager: Tadanao Tsuji
Character Designer: Kazuo Komatsubara
EPISODE 72
“The long distance homeland star" (japanese title)
Screenplay: Mitsuru Mashima
Directed by: Tomoharu Katsumata
Artistic Direction: Shingo Araki
Wallpaper Manager: Fumihiro Uchikawa
Character Designer: Shingo Araki
II. INTRODUCTION
1) INTRODUCTION (Joe7)
Naida and Rubina: these two women are fundamental characters in UFO Robot Grendizer anime. They are often cited in fanfiction or fanart: Naida is commonly seen as a victim of Vega, and Rubina as a woman of peace. But are they really so? In a more careful analysis of their stories, following in particular the Original Japanese Version (OV), it turns out that things are more complex than what they seem, and that the conclusions to which we may arrive are definitely different.
In this Gerdha's long analysis, whom I thank very much for giving me permission to publish, I will briefly present Naida and Rubina stories in the commonly accepted viewpoint. Afterwards, there will be two sections: the first, dedicated to Naida and the second to Rubina. Finally, a summary of the results of the analysis will be provided.
2) INTRODUCTION (Gerdha)
The dossier you will see developed in the next chapters is composed of both my personal analysis recently born and (mostly) from the synthesis of a series of discussions that were published on the French forum of DJinspace between the end of 2002 and 2006. Or rather, it is what I could reconstruct, since the forum was first attacked by a hacker who deleted all my posts and some posts of other users, then the forum disappeared definitively from the web when the provider, without notice, ceased hosting it. So, the only trace of the hundreds of interesting analysis that took place in the DJinspace forum over the course of 10 years are just a few prints that I had done of some of the discussions I had loved and which I had kept with the thought "you never know...". I thank Pambou (DJinspace forum user and webmaster of the site "La Lune Rouge" (HERE) to give me the possibility to publish them.
In the spring of 2003, I began to have access to OV (Original Version). Being lucky of having a perfectly bilingual japanese/italian relative in my family, with her help I started to take care of its translation. In the autumn of 2005, I started posting the ep72 and ep25 translations on the DJinspace forum. There were therefore various discussions on the subject, which were interrupted temporarily, due to the attack of a hacker, and then resumed in 2006, with various pauses, until the end of 2009.
If the DJinspace forum was a privileged place for profound analysis with a very high cultural value on Ufo Robot Grendizer, it was certainly because the people who attended them - starting with myself - were mostly available to question their "infantile certainty" about the versions of the anime they had always known, in order to search for an explanation that would put the original dialogues in harmony with the pictures and make justice to the author's will to describe a story consistent with his poetry. Very few users refused to travel this route for fear of having to give up their own rooted idea of the real content of Ufo Robot Grendizer. I hope the same will happen here, too.
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VERSION GENERALLY RECOGNIZED BY FANS ABOUT NAIDA AND RUBINA HISTORIES
This, more or less, is the summary, almost universally accepted by fans, about the events concerning Naida and Rubina.
King Vega, intending to expand his kingdom by conquering planet Fleed, to fool the king of Fleed sends his daughter Rubina on Fleed to marry the latter's son Duke Fleed, while he actually prepares an attack. Rubina, a golden-hearted gentle girl, is reluctant to her father's diktat, but, forced by her cruel father, goes to Fleed for the combined marriage and once there she falls in love with Duke Fleed. In spite of the marriage imposed, Duke Fleed feels affection and perhaps even more for the sweet Rubina. At some point, King Vega invades Fleed. Naida, a fleedian girl, whom Duke had previously fallen in love with, is captured during the attack and is made a Veghian slave. Duke Fleed is captured too, but manages to escape away to the Earth with the robot Grendizer. Planet Fleed becomes uninhabitable, destroyed by the radiation resulting from the launch of a bomb at vegatron. Rubina, against her will, is sent to planet Rubi.
Years later (ep25), during the war invasion to Earth, Naida is mentally conditioned by King Vega and is sent to Earth, in order to deceive and kill Duke Fleed. During these events, Naida communicates to Duke Fleed that all the Vega monsters launched against Grendizer carry Fleedians' brains installed inside them; then, conditioned by King Vega, Naida hurts Duke Fleed with an iron bar. He survives, but temporarily he goes crazy because of Naida's revelations.
Afterwards Naida, freed from conditioning, redeems herself by suicide, carrying with her the Vega invasion fleet sent in that episode, despite Duke, healed, begs her not to do so.
It is assumed that the idea of Naida's story in ep25 was actually taken from Gosaku Ota's manga, but, since the story of brains installed in monsters was too "strong" for Grendizer's audience, later this topic was forgotten and the whole episode 25 was considered by the same Authors of the anime as a "parenthesis", a kind of "what if?".
After 47 episodes, at the end of the anime (ep72), Rubina discovers that Duke Fleed is still alive and she flies to Skarmoon Base, with the aim of bringing peace between Vega and Earth. King Vega promises at the Ministry of Science Zuril to let him marry her daughter. In disagreement with her father, Rubina contacts Duke Fleed to inform him that the planet Fleed has actually survived the destruction and, in order to finally conclude the war, proposes him to marry her and to go back together on Planet Fleed to ensure peace.
At the end of the episode, Rubina, attempting to defend Grendizer from Zuril's attack, sacrifices herself for her beloved prince, revealing him, as the last gesture of love, the position of the Skarmoon Base. Duke Fleed, heartbroken for Rubina's death, with whom he has always been in love for, despair himself blatantly at the end of the episode.
However, it is not certain who of the two women Duke Fleed really loved: whether Naida or Rubina. In any case, it is assumed that both women loved him very much. In addition, it is sure that Duke Fleed feels for Hikaru only a feeling of sincere friendship, despite her passionate and hopeless love for him.
This, as I have said, is the "recognized version", so to speak, by the vast majority of fans about Naida and Rubina stories.
But this is a superficial analysis. Ufo Robot Grendizer is a complex anime, and its author is universally recognized to develop poetics focused on the dark aspects of the human soul. Not only: UFO Robot Grendizer cannot be understood using western logic and approach. You have to consider it in the Japanese culture context to fully understand its meaning. Finally, the scripting strategy is much more complex than how it may appear at first sight. or at the average perception of a children audience. As analysed in Gerdha's previous dossier (blog version: here; forum version: here), the relationship between Daisuke and Hikaru is not that what it seems to be at first sight, so, if this narrative approach was used for them, it is reasonable to assume that Naida and Rubina stories are not what they seem, but they are also "matrioskas", where the true story to tell is hidden, and it can be discovered only with a careful analysis.
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GRENDIZER'S MANGA BY GOSAKU OTA
Usually, it is said that the scriptwriters' inspiration for Naida's story was taken from Grendizer's manga by Gosaku Ota.
In fact, in that manga not only Naida appears, but, with reference to the topic of the brains implanted in the Vega monsters, there are also three of them that recover their memory, remembering that they were Fleedians people, and rebelling themselves against the Vega Ship.
Since it is believed that Ota wrote the manga before the animated series, it is thought that his ideas were then used in the anime, but not in-depth, because unsuitable for an audience of children. I do not agree. Ota developed his ideas on what he thought Grendizer should have been, taking some episodes as inspiration, but real minds behind episode 25 were Go Nagai and Toshio Katsuta. In fact, in Grendizer Roman Album 1 Nagai and Katsuta explicitly state that ep25 was their idea, and they had a certain purpose in accomplishing that particular episode. Mashima, the official script writer, has probably only developed their ideas. The Roman Album was also published on December 30 in 1978, 22 months after the end of the anime broadcast in Japan, and it is the only document available so far, where Ufo Robot Grendizer author and producer gave joint interviews at the time. It can therefore be assumed that its content is the most reliable source of information. It could be anyway said that Ota had developed in his manga some themes already present in the anime, but just lightly mentioned. Maybe, Ota could have talked to Nagai and Katsuta, deciding to show in the manga what they told him about what was really present "between the lines" of the anime. An example of this "completeness" of Ota could be the kiss scene between Duke and Naida, a scene included in manga and absent in anime.
Even if it was the case (and, anyway, there is no written evidence of it), this hypothesis contrasts with the Roman Album, where Gosaku Ota is not credited in any way as someone sharing the authorship for Grendizer's anime. Among other things, regarding the kiss scene, Ota has simply explicitly drawn in the manga what appears in episode 25 for 17/100 of a second. The kiss exists in episode 25, Ota never needed to imagine it.
Furthermore, the Gosaku Ota manga is not mentioned in the Mazinger Bible 2.
In fact, the Mazinger Bible talks about Goldrake's manga by Nagai and Okazaki, but doesn't say a word about Ota's work. There is only a small image of the robot Raaga, or Rahga in the Italian version, which appears in Ota's manga, but there is nothing about Ota's manga in the text. See the related page below: if anyone knows Japanese, they may realize it.
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This is surprising: considering the Japanese social rules, such an exclusion means that Nagai and Dynamic have not appreciated Ota's work and have preferred to "forget it". So, Ota manga is unreliable as a reference to the interpretation of the anime. It should be noted that, on this same page, at the bottom right, a page of Imamichi's manga appears, in which the monster Giru Giru speaks to Duke Fleed. But this manga was published in 1976, at the same time as the episode of Naida was broadcast, and it also has an ironic-comic trait.
Summarising, Gosaku Ota wrote only his own "Grendizer" story, meaning that he has included in his work some characters of Grendizer anime, with different personalities, but called in the same way, acting in a story of his invention. And, considering what he did, I don't think he ever cared for some kind of coherence with the anime.
It is not true that Naida does not "fit well" in Grendizer's history: she is one of its main keys to understand the story.
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1 Roman Album: The "Roman Albums" are a collection of special monographic books, published by the Japanese publisher Tokuma Shoten. They are a real compendium for the treated series, and they contain almost unique information and details for fans. Generally, a Roman Album contains: story synthesis, episodes synthesis, drawings and preparatory sketches, theme song, color and black and white illustrations, character analysis, merchandising and other curiosities on the series, interviews with authors (from Encirobot)
2 The Mazinger Bible, published in Japan in 2002 by the publisher Futabasha, consists of a voluminous tome of 505 pages produced by Go Nagai's Dynamic Production studio. The book offers, through cards, interviews, insights and images, a real excursus through the Mazinger saga, from the first piece of 1972 to the most recent evolutions, not forgetting the most curious and less known details.
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ANALYSIS ABOUT NAIDA
ORIGINAL DIALOGUES OF EPISODE 25
DIALOGUE 1: BLACKY AND GANDAL
Blacky runs into the Control Room of the Skarmoon Base, kneeling himself to Gandal, who instead does not turn his eyesight to him at all.
Blacky: My Lord Gandal 1, my Lord Gandal, it is an emergency!
Gandal: What's up?
Blacky: A monster-saucer 2 that was heading from planet Vega to the Moon has been hijacked and it has fallen on Earth.
Gandal: Naida, from Baron family, who I took as an hostage on Planet Fleed, should have been onboard, but what about her? 3
Blacky: W...well...
Gandal: What's happened to her?
Blacky: I sent soldiers to run after her, but the usual mini-spacer appeared and, unfortunately, it captured her. Now we'll undertake immediately a total attack, and we'll finally destroy the farm and the wood around that zone.
Gandal: Leave them alone!
Blacky: But…
Gandal: This is part of the strategy, too.
Blacky looks at Gandal with big surprise.
Gandal: Because it's said "In order to fool enemies, first start with deceiving friends"
Blacky: What does it mean?
Gandal: I purposely let Naida hijack the spacer. Naida and Duke Fleed are childhood friends, she will track him down for sure. I have already ordered to Naida's brain the job to do.
Blacky: To the brain?
FIRST COMMENTS
Blacky refers to the monster-saucer with the Japanese word "Enbanju". This is the appeal given to Veghian monsters, but, usually, they get also a specific name (Jira-Jira, etc.). Naida's saucer has instead no specific name. We can argue that her spacer was a not completely operational monster, or that it was constructed with the same technology, but harmless.
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1 My Lord Gandal: “Gandal Shirei” in original japanese version.
2 monster-saucer: “Enbanju” in original japanese version.
3 Naida, from Baron family, who I took as an hostage on Planet Fleed, should have been onboard, but what about her? Japanese original version is: “Furiidosei de horyonishita Baronke no Naida ga notteita hazudaga dousita?”
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DIALOGUE 2: NAIDA AND DUKE - THEIR FIRST RENDEZVOUS ON EARTH
Daisuke fixes his eyesight, from distance, to the female figure appearing backlightned behind the rock. The daylight slowly enlighten her figure; when the sun shines on her face, Daisuke's expression has a surprise motion.
Daisuke: Naida! Naida, you are Naida, aren't you? It is me, Duke Fleed!
Naida: Duke…?
Daisuke: Yes, I'm Duke Fleed, who was living on Planet Fleed!
Naida: You are Duke..?
Daisuke: Yes, I am Duke, do you recognise me?
Naida associates in her mind Daisuke's image with Duke Fleed's one, finally recognizing the prince of her native planet. Her eyes fill with tears.
Naida: Duke..!
Daisuke: Naida!
Daisuke and Naida run in each other's arms, calling themselves by name repeatedly, then fall on their knees in the snowy field, still hugging.
Naida: Duke…
Daisuke: Naida…
Naida: Duke…
Naida: I didn't believe to be able to see you again.
Daisuke: Me too. Thanks for having survived, Naida. I was convinced you were dead, when the capital of Planet Fleed suffered a total attack. It's just as well.
FIRST COMMENTS
Being both aliens, Naida and Duke Fleed don't use any typical Japanese language suffix in the dialogue between people (-san, -chan) for their names when they talk to each other. Furthermore, during all the episode, Naida and Duke Fleed talk to each other using informal language. According to Japanese social rules, this means a very large and intimate level of confidence between two people, especially between a man and a woman.
In addition, Naida compares Duke with his version of Grendizer's pilot to recognize him when he meets him, and this could raise doubts: it would be like saying that Naida had never seen Duke without a helmet. But this is not the case: in the meantime, on the ground Daisuke carries peasant clothes, which the fleedians don't know, also he has a slightly different haircut. Therefore, it is normal that Naida does not immediately recognize him: moreover, the comparison with the "battle suit" version is necessary for the viewers, who don't know the Daisuke dressed in a fleedian way.
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DIALOGUE 3: NAIDA'S STORY
Umon Research Centre, living room. Naida is talking about her experience during and after the attack of Vega to Planet Fleed. Daisuke, Umon and Koji are listening to her.
Naida: Planet Fleed, which was invaded by Vega Kingdom, from then on it has been nothing else than hell. The only alternatives for the few survived people were hard labour, being experimented, or the death for desperation, which arrives sooner or later. Me, hating to die that way, tried to escape thousand times, but they got me back everytime. Now that I finally succeeded in escaping believing in a miracle, it seems to me a dream even only to stay so.
Daisuke: Naida, you're safe now, take it easy. People here are all kind, do you know that?
(Daisuke takes Naida's hand between his ones. Koji and Umon leave the room)
Daisuke: Staying here you could maybe forget the nightmare-like happenings you lived on Planet Fleed, Naida. Here there are the green fields, and the sun rises up just like on the old Planet Fleed. And, most of all, here is love, the most important thing of all.
(Koji closes the door, leaving Daisuke and Naida alone)
Daisuke: Also your suffering heart will heal, and you will be able to return to be the person you were (they both turn to watch outside the window; Daisuke is behind Naida). The old Planet Fleed was wonderful. Me and you grew up like brother and sister (flashback: Naida and Duke Fleed as teens running hand in hand in the field). We were both naughty children and our parents often scolded us. But we were not as naughty as your brother... How was your brother called...?
Naida: Sirius.
Daisuke: Yes, your younger brother Sirius was so naughty, and once he wanted to scare us with a fake snake, while, instead, there was a real snake on the tree, and he fell down...(flashback: Naida and Duke Fleed are sitting hand in hand under a tree, watching scared Sirius who sits on a tree branch, with a little fake snake in one hand, frightened by a snake appearing from a hole in the tree just aside of him).
Daisuke: Sirius of these times was so beautiful...
(Naida becomes serious and doesn't reply to him.)
Daisuke: What's up to you?
Naida: Sirius is dead.
Daisuke: Dead? Why?
Naida: My brother has been killed by a traitor.
Daisuke: A traitor? Who? Who is it? Somebody from planet Vega? (Naida doesn't say a word) So then from Planet Fleed? Is there such a mean person on Planet Fleed? (overcome by his anger, Daisuke holds violently Naida by her shoulder)
Naida: You are hurting me!
Daisuke: Ah…(Daisuke leaves Naida) Ah, forgive me. I was a bit shaken. But, if you are telling the truth...(Daisuke turns and moves away from Naida with a tense expression). If this story is true, I will never forgive such a traitor, by no means!
Naida is staring at Daisuke with a strange expression.
FIRST COMMENTS
In all the anime, the Vega Empire has always been called by the name of "Allied Forces of Vega". The name "Vega Kingdom" used by Naida is a strange definition, but is mentioned only here. We must underline this point and draw the necessary consequences. At the time of the Fleed invasion, Vega was not yet an empire. An expansion plan was underway, but no planet had yet been attacked. Not only that, combining these words of Naida with the words expressed in VO (Original Version) in ep2 by Daisuke in his story of the attack on Fleed, where he uses the definition "Allied Forces of Vega", it can be assumed that an alliance was formed between various planets under the Vega coordination, specifically to attack Fleed, and only after this event Vega subjected other peoples with various legal forms and/or direct armed conquests (see for example the difference in treatment between the Rubi planets in ep9 and Wolf, in ep34).
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DIALOGUE 4: SIRIUS
During the night, Daisuke is playing guitar on the Research Centre balcony.
Daisuke (to himself): Damn Sirius, why did you die?
A crow flies away from a tree, letting a piece of snow falling down. Daisuke watches the scene with a worried expression.
FIRST COMMENTS
According to Japanese traditions, a flying crow is symbol of troubles and announces bad times.
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DIALOGUE 5: NAIDA'S CONDITIONING
Naida is laying on her bed and reflects to herself.
Naida: Duke, I loved you, I loved you so much I could not forget you for a second only. Nevertheless…ah!!!
(Naida remembers the torture and mental conditioning received during her imprisoning. She is tied up to a chair and receives electrical impulses from six points as a torture. She screams in pain, then lowers her head in exhaustion. King Vega's face appears from behind.)
King Vega: Duke Fleed is a traitor!
Naida (with suffering voice): That's not true, that's not true, Duke is not...
King Vega: Shut up, shut up! Calm down your breath. Listen to me. Duke Fleed is a traitor. In order to survive only himself, he's escaped with Grendizer abandoning you. Have you understood?
(Naida nods)
King Vega: You must find the traitor and remove him together with Grendizer, alright?
(Naida nods again)
King Vega: OK, don't forget this.
(Naida silently agrees, then she is tortured again.)
(The dreamy recall ends as she is still laying in her bed.)
FIRST COMMENTS
This scene seems to be in contradiction with Gandal's previous words in Skarmoon Base: in fact, it seemed that it was Gandal who ordered Naida's "job". Instead, here, and later, in the hangar scene, it is instead King Vega who speaks directly to Naida and gives orders. It is therefore possible that Gandal was only the person responsible for communicating the logistical data on Naida, while the conditioning was conducted by King Vega.
In King Vega's sentence, it is pronounced precisely "Okay", the English word, in the Japanese version.
However, it is very strange and significant that King Vega himself took the responsibility of organizing the plan and putting it into action: it is the first time ever that this happens in the anime.
I had always found very strange that King Vega himself had taken part in Naida's "conditioning". It may have been a symbolic image that indicates Naida's nightmare...but I also consider another approach possible. I suppose that the Vegan plan of episode 25 was conceived directly by King Vega himself and it was simply organized by Gandal at the operational level.
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DIALOGUE 6: HANGAR SCENE
(During the night, Naida enters secretly in Grendizer hangar, avoiding the Centre surveillance. She is alone in the big room.)
Naida: Finally I have found it. If only Grendizer disappears…!
(she holds a little bomb in her hands)
Naida: Only with this little protonic bomb I can turn Grendizer in pieces.
(Naida activates the bomb, then starts to walk on Grendizer launch ramp. Suddenly Daisuke appears from above, launching himself towards Naida from the usual transportation device, without transforming himself in Duke Fleed.)
Daisuke (shouting): Pay attention!
(Daisuke carries Naida outside the launch ramp, falling together with her on the hangar floor)
Daisuke: Naida, you shouldn't have done that. You were close to be burned to death.
(Naida is staring at Daisuke with a hateful eyesight, without answering him a word and keeping one hand behind her back)
Daisuke: Have you forgotten the fact that, when Grendizer is approached by somebody different from myself, it removes him automatically?
(Daisuke notices her strange position)
Daisuke: What are you hiding?
(Daisuke grasps Naida's right arm, forcing her to show him the object she is holding, then throwing away from her hand)
Daisuke: A protonic bomb??? (Daisuke is upset) Why such a thing? Why?
Naida: (standing up) For blowing up you. For blowing up a traitor!
(she assaults Daisuke in order to get back the bomb, but he resists and pulls her on the floor again. Daisuke is more upset.)
Daisuke: Why should I be a traitor???
Naida (standing up again): Would you tell me you have forgotten it? When we went through the total attack of Vega Allied Forces 1, and we were running away and calling for help, you have escaped getting onboard of Grendizer, the only Protective God 2 of Planet Fleed!
Daisuke: This is not true! I have fought up to the end, and, considering that Planet Fleed was wiped out, as I did not have any alternative I escaped to Earth.
Naida: It wasn't wiped out. You see I am alive!
Daisuke (hesitating): B..but…
Naida: I don't want excuses anymore. You are a traitor who, in order to save only himself, has abandoned us and escaped away.
Daisuke: Naida! Telling so is a bit too much...
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1 “Vega Allied Forces”: in original japanese version, “Vega sei rengogun”
2 “Protective God”: literally: guardian angel.
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Naida: (looking up) Even if, up to that day, I have always been affectionate to you, I loved you, now it's all over… (Naida falls on her knees, keeping her head on her hands) I don't absolutely forgive a traitor! Besides, you are going also to cancel the only possibility of surviving which has been given us in desperation! 
Naida (standing up again): That monster-saucer 1 you destroyed full of confidence some days ago was a Fleed inhabitant, do you know this? (totally upset from this news, Daisuke lets the bomb falling from his hand and rolling in an air hole, where it explodes damaging a bit the Grendizer launch ramp)
(The sound of the explosion awakes Umon)
Umon: What was that rumour?
Naida: The brains of Planet Fleed inhabitants are used for the monster-saucers, you know? 2 (Naida is still in front of Daisuke in the hangar)
Naida: They are brains whose conscience has been annihilated and has been inseminated with fidelity to Planet Vega inhabitants. Do you still remember Enbanju Ghirughiru? That was my brother Sirius! Enbanju Ghirughiru was my brother Sirius!!!
(Naida points to Daisuke, who watches her in horror)
(Naida's brain receives an input from King Vega)
King Vega: Go, Naida! Transform yourself in the flame of hate, and take Duke Fleed's life!
(Daisuke is completely upset and enters in a catatonia state. Naida physicallly changes her aspect in a demon, takes an iron bar and bashes a still catatonic Daisuke on his head, leaving him hurt and passed out on the floor. At this point, Koji and Umon rush in the hangar. Naida assaults them, still in the demoniac aspect)
(Umon shoots her with a stun gun, so she passes out.)
Koji: Did you kill her?
Umon: No, it was only a stun gun. Take her to the medical center immediately.
FIRST COMMENTS
Daisuke's words in the hangar are the first reference in the anime of the existence of an identification code in Grendizer that allows only Duke Fleed to have exclusive access to the robot. Naida speaks of Goldrake as "protective God": literally: "Guardian Angel".
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1 "monster-saucer": Enbanju in Japanese.
2 "The brains of Planet Fleed inhabitants are used for the monster-saucers, you know?": in Japanese is: “Enbanju niha Fleed seijinno nouga tsukawarete irunoyo!”
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DIALOGUE 7: NAIDA AND HIKARU
Naida and Hikaru are in front of Daisuke's cell, where he is taken in custody, considering his high depression case. He is screaming and sobbing.
Hikaru (to Naida): As you can see, he's still in the delirious state. He has withdrawn into himself completely, he doesn't react almost at all to external incitations. And even worse, he has almost no desire to live (her eyes fill with tears). It's dangerous, but we have nothing else than electroshock as a mean for saving him...
(Daisuke screams senseless words)
Naida: But what's he saying?
Hikaru: Daisuke-san!
Naida (to Hikaru): You love Duke, don't you? (Hikaru blushes but she does not answer her) In fact, it was just so. Me too love Duke, more than you. Goodbye.
FIRST COMMENTS
Hikaru talks about "Daisuke-san". In the medical room, she forces herself to refer to him as "Duke Fleed" talking to Naida (she quiet mistaken his name, and corrected herself).
But the medical room scene is the only time Hikaru refers to the guy as "Duke Fleed" in the anime: here and in all other scenes of the story she always talks to and about him as only "Daisuke-san", as she promised him in ep23.
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DIALOGUE 8: NAIDA'S SUICIDE
(Naida rushes out of the Centre, running to the mountain to her monster-saucer, while Vega forces attack the Centre itself)
Naida: Forgive me, Duke, for having let you suffer! I loved you really!
(Naida is driving her monster-saucer against the Vega fleet of mini-UFOs and the monster Dari Dari)
Naida (to herself): I'm sorry, Duke. You were the only one able to take revenge of our humiliation and our anger for the downfall of Planet Fleed. You were our only endless hope. Forgive me for having taken an action which could annihilate it. (Naida activates one of the protonic bombs which are onboard of her saucer). If you could succeed in escaping with the opportunity I am going to create, run away! And one day, the Vega Empire…(the sentence remains interrupted) If it is for this, if it is for this, for me it's not a pity to lose my life. Now I'm arriving, Vega Allied Forces!
(Just in that moment, Grendizer arrives on the scene)
Duke Fleed: (on the radio) Naida, Naida! Do you hear me, Naida? If you listen, answer me!!!
Naida (to herself): Duke! It's just as well, have you regained your conscience?
Duke Fleed: (on the radio) Naida, come back immediately! (Naida doesn't answer him and keeps her route fixed) Naida, stop it, stop it! Don't do it!!!
(Despite Duke Fleed's tentative to change her mind, and Grendizer's attempt to obstruct the saucer, Naida lets her saucer exploding against Vega fleet)
Naida (screaming while the explosion starts): Duke!
(Dari Dari monster and all mini-UFOs explode in the air.)
Duke Fleed: Naida, Naida! (he opens the helmet, watching the explosion scene and starts to cry)
Duke Fleed: Naida, I swear you to wipe out Vega Allied Forces at all costs, in order the tragedy of our Planet Fleed to not be repeated again, for the peace in all the universe. (Grendizer traces the name of Naida 1 in the sky before disappearing in the daylight)
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1 Grendizer writes Naida’s name in katakana alphabet (it is an alien name).
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EPISODE 25: TEMPORAL ANALYSIS
At the time of Naida's appearance, the war against Vega has begun from about six months and the Veghians are moving from indiscriminate attacks to more sophisticated strategies. Particularly, they have begun to use people as "tools" to create conflicts of consciousness on terrestrials. The first attempt was made in Ep5 with Hikaru, Banta and Koji taken as hostages.
Then, in Ep6 : but, there, Hikaru and Banta were kidnapped by chance.
Instead, from Ep10 (just after ep9, where the terrestrials capture, for the first time, an alien: Mineo), the Veghians try to infiltrate conditioned humans, or disguised aliens, in the Research Center.
Then the Veghians choose the explicit blackmail solution: in Ep22 they kidnap a scientist; in ep23 Hikaru is captured by Blacky.
With ep24, the Veghians return again to the approach of infiltration, and this time not only an enemy is able to enter into the Research Center, but he also discovers the identity of Duke Fleed, hiding on Earth as the son of professor Umon.
And now we are at ep25. This time, the Veghians use the definitive card: someone should approach Duke Fleed and earn his trust, so she could kill him easily. Please notice that never again the Veghians will use the same trick. They will do something similar in ep32 with the fake Queen of Fleed, and later they will do another attempt with Maria Grace using the fake King of Fleed in ep70.
But in ep32 and ep70, these relatives are only tricks. To be precise, Maria Grace and Duke meet really someone of their past: but Kein (ep68) and Morus (ep71) encounter their respective childhood friends only when they die. And, in ep72, the meeting between Rubina and Duke Fleed is certainly not organized by anybody in the Veghian entourage. Thus, the Veghian approach in ep25 is unique and unprecedented.
At the beginning of Naida episode, we can see a snowy passage, while, later on, in the ride scene between Naida and Daisuke, the environment is springy. So it seems that Naida spends some time on Earth. It can be said that the episode begins at the end of winter and ends a few weeks later.
Maybe there was a Vega attack never narrated, as Naida in the hangar refers to a monster-saucer that Daisuke has "destroyed full of confidence some days ago"
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EPISODE 25: FLEEDIAN BRAINS IN VEGA'S MONSTER-SAUCERS. TRUTH OR LIE?
One of the problems posed by ep25 is related to the history of the fleedian brains implanted in Vega's monster-saucers, about which Naida speaks in the hangar. It's a feature of the story that has raised a lot of questions among fans (especially those in France, where, because of a lot of dubbing manipulations in FV (French Version), there are also some references about this topic in other episodes of the anime, above all notably ep33, while in Italian Original Version (IVO) and VO (Original Japanese Version) the reference is contained only in ep25).
Is the story told by Naida true or not? This point is very important, as it is connected to Naida's credibility and therefore also to the understanding of her personality. Let's examine this fact carefully. Theoretically, is it possible to put a brain in a Vega monster? Perhaps, with their technology, the Veghians could put the fleedians' brains in space monsters.
Also, we don't always see for every Vega's monsters a specific pilot to command them, so could it be assumed that some of them had none? In short, the Veghian monsters could have a fleedian brain: this is the most common objection supporting the hypothesis.
But it's not that simple. First of all, one could say, that a body-less brain is a dead brain, so it does not work at all: it makes no sense installing it in a robot. If the brain is dead, what value can it have? However, to overcome this problem, someone might argue that, for a sort of incredible advanced technology available on Vega, they could be able to achieve this nonsense. But, even assuming that this story of the implanted brains was true, why using only Fleedians' brains? From what we know, Fleed is a peaceful planet, whose inhabitants aspire to everything, but to make war: from here there is my question, about the real value of using brains of people who certainly have absolutely no pleasure (or experience) for violent clashes, while Vega Monsters are machines that spread death and destruction.
Well, of course, it is conceivable that Veghian technology is sufficiently developed to exacerbate in these brains their desire for death and destruction, but, ultimately, this remains an handicap. In the end, would not it have been easier using brains of assassins and other criminals who were already "ready to use", so to speak? Not to mention that in OV (Original Version) the authors will talk nevermore about this topic of the Fleedian brains for all subsequent Grendizer episodes, after that one about Naida, which is therefore the ONLY episode talking about this topic. Of course, one might say that the absence of further references about Fleedian brains in the series does not mean anything: maybe the scriptwriters of the anime had preferred to set aside this history of installed brains, because its development would have been problematic for the rest of the anime. Daisuke, in fact, could not continue to destroy the Space Monsters without hesitation: it would have been in total contradiction with his character. The series, if it went ahead supporting this idea of implanted brains, would have led the screenwriters to play the card of psychological trauma, that would have happened to their hero, and perhaps make him die in battle with Vega and his troops, or make him suicide once he has liberated Earth from the threat of Vega, because of the weight he had on his conscience. Obviously, all these ideas would have been difficult to implement, as Grendizer would not have been anymore suitable for children, as it should have been (although, in fact, several episodes have a relatively adult tone). Or (other hypothesis), in the episode following Naida's one, considering his personality, Daisuke should have killed himself, because he was unable to resign himself to the death (or, rather, to a second death) of one of his compatriots (and even this is an impossible development of history); or (even more crazy), during each fight, he could make sure that he doesn't damage the head of Vega Monsters and collect the Fleedian brains by storing them at the Research Center. In short, one might think that writers considered as an easier way to neglect the topics they put themselves into ep25 for convenience.
Yet, it would be enough to reflect a bit to understand that this would be a vivid contradiction.
It has already been shown, in the analysis of the relationship between Daisuke and Hikaru, that Ufo Robot Grendizer is not an anime for children, and that the quality of the history and screenplay are of the highest standard. Assuming that Mitsuru Mashima (writer of Ep25 and of the most significant episodes in the series) made a mistake inserting in episode 25, on Go Nagai and Toshio Katsuta's behalf, a reference to a storyline of immense potential like that one of Fleedian brains, then, immediately afterwards, simply set it aside because "children don't understand anything" is simply absurd. It does not even count the parallel with the plot holes that happen sometimes in the anime from episode 49 onwards: in fact, Maria Grace's arrival had never been planned, so the screenwriters were forced "grasping at straws", in order to insert the new character into the plot suddenly. But, at the time of episode 25, there was no emergency situation to handle, so there is no reason to believe that the script of Ep25 contains plot holes.
The history of the Fleedian brains must therefore have an important intrinsic meaning, if it was added into this episode.
Is it possible to include the plot of Fleedian brains consistently in Grendizer's history? I think not. It is not possible that Vega's monsters really carried a Fleedian brain from episode 1, as Naida says in the hangar. In fact, if really in each monster had been installed a Fleedian brain since the first episode, why Blacky or Gandal or any other commander don't use Naida's same blackmail trick to force Duke Fleed to abandon the fight? I can understand that Blacky was surprised by Grendizer's sudden appearance in Ep1, so that he would not be able to use this card immediately, but why did not anyone in Veghian fleet ever think about this chance from Ep2 to Ep24? Not to mention the fact that any Vega Monster sent to confront with Grendizer has the obvious mission of killing Duke Fleed.
From here, consequently, the logical need of using this stratagem as soon as possible, if available, without having to wait 24 consecutive failures! I mean, neither King Vega, Gandal, Blacky or Gorman, nor a mere commander has ever thinked about the simple idea of grabbing a microphone and screaming to Duke Fleed: "Hey, do you know you're killing your same population by fighting against us? " The Veghians apply the most diverse and complex strategies for 24 episodes, but they never use the most powerful weapon they should know to possess. Very strange, right? Unless we have to admit that all the Vega army is made up of total fools, I have to say that the only logical explanation for this collective stupidity is that there was no Fleedian brain in any monster.
And, if Vega monsters really had a Fleedian brain installed in them since episode 1, and the authors decided to introduce the topic only in Ep25? This could explain the plot hole in the previous 24 episodes. But if it were true, we would face then two possibilities:
1) If the Fleedian brain installed in Vega monsters was a dead brain, this would explain why Duke Fleed never felt guilty from Ep26 to Ep74 in destroying Vega monsters.
But, in this case, someone should really explain to me what should be the benefit of implanting an useless brain into Vega monsters and why Naida should therefore consider this information as relevant for Duke Fleed.
2) If, instead, the Fleedian brains included in Vega monsters were living brains and they could be used as AI (artificial intelligence) in Vega monsters, for example to try to replicate Grendizer's technology, I don't understand why Veghians use only the Fleedian brains. They could take advantage of millions of prisoners in Vega Empire and thus create an incredibly powerful army of thousands of monsters.
Anyway, Duke Fleed would have terrible internal struggles that are never shown to us. If we consider Ufo Robot Grendizer as one of the anime with the highest rates of attention to character's psychology in history, and, if Daisuke had the slightest doubt about the presence of the Fleedian brains in Vega monsters, the Authors would have shown us his inner struggle, at least once, from Ep26 onwards.
Additionally, this topic would have been surely used by writers, at least for a single episode: if the Authors thought of introducing a real plot on the Fleedian brains implanted with Ep25, I suppose they would have done it again later. Introducing a similar topic and taking no advantage from this is an absurd narrative approach, and, honestly, Ufo Robot Grendizer, in the period between Ep23 and Ep48 1, is certainly not defective from the point of view of the screenplay quality. What a wonderful narrative opportunity would have been for the Authors! There would have been space for a multitude of interesting episodes, don't you think? Instead, nothing happens, and, from Ep30, Daisuke finds himself confronted with the problem of Vegatron poisoning. I tend to believe that, if the Authors wanted the story of the Fleedian brains to be true, they would have developed the anime in a different direction. In fact, Daisuke himself (with Umon, Koji, Hikaru, and, later, Maria Grace with him) never cares about the possible problem of killing the brains of his own population from Ep26 to 74, the last one.
But one could argue that several times, in this series, there are Vega monsters without a pilot. Even the same Space Monsters with pilot might have had a brain to better communicate with their own pilots. This could be compared to the communication between Duke Fleed and Grendizer, which was designed with Fleedian technology, which was far more advanced than Veghian technology: it could also have an Advanced Artificial Intelligence (AI) that rivals the human brain. In addition, the idea of a living robot is recurring in Go Nagai: we see the psychic link that appears existing between Grendizer and Duke Fleed, and in Mazinga Z, Koji gave the impression of a total robot-like symbiosis. Minerva X was also a robot capable of feeling and crying !! (And this is something that is not "possible").
But the answer is simple: it is necessary to observe very well the details. First, in the Japanese version there is no difference between the different types of Vega monsters, i. e. those monsters that, in the Italian version, are called before Space Monsters and then, after the King Goli, Vega Monsters, i. e. monsters obtained from modified animals. In fact, in the OV (Original Version) all are called "Enban Ju", more precisely, "Vega Ju XXXX-XXXX", where XXXX-XXXX stands for monster's name. But what is sure is that, even though we are only shown a part of minor characters as their pilots, all Enban Ju are driven by somebody, except for Dantus' creations, which are animals transformed into robot.
The anime let us see only a part of the "commanders", but this does not mean that, in the episode where the monster pilot is not explicitly indicated, the monster is without a pilot. All mini-UFOs are also guided by soldiers. The mere fact of Vega monsters with a driving pilot should prompt us to ask: why on Earth would the Veghians ever feel the need to add a brain to Vega monsters? To what purpose? What help would have added the fact to own also a Fleedian brain? All the Enban Ju had a specific pilot, so why would they ever need to add any Fleedian brain in any form?
However, it could be possible to admit the presence of a Fleedian brain to improve the performance of the pilot. But even so, I don't see the real need to do it. If the inserted fleedian brain could add more fluidity / faster speed / and so on, to Vega monsters, should we suppose that the Fleedians were all (and I mean ALL: from children to the elderlies) fantastic athletes or endowed with special powers unknown to the Veghians? It is true that Duke Fleed has special physical abilities with respect to the terrestrials, but would that mean that no one in the universe could compete with a Fleedian baby boy in gym exercises?
And why it should be a generic Fleedian brain? There has never been any indication in the anime that Fleedians were a kind of super-race. They had an advanced technology, but it does not mean that it came from a particular capacity of ALL the population. Please note that, even with regard to Maria Grace's divination capacities, in the Italian version (which is usually fairly faithful to Japanese version), there is only the reference in Ep50 and then total void, as if the authors had introduced the theme and then had regretted their idea (and this is reasonable, given the background story of Maria Grace's introduction to the anime).
In any case, the advanced Fleedian technology could be explained because they were a race older than Veghians, or because of a particularly favorable environment that strengthened their development, or both, or otherwise. But this has nothing to do with Fleedian's brains. I would like to add that, in Japanese version, Naida, in the hangar scene, also speaks about a generic Fleedian brain in another Vega monster (not named by name), destroyed by Grendizer some time before. I mean, Naida talks always about the use of a generic Fleedian brain in Vega's monsters, and this does not make any sense.
Of course, Planet Fleed had qualified scientists: they created Grendizer after all, but, in this case, I could understand (thinking for a moment of possible technical feasibility) the selection of their own brains for the creation of an AI, but I cannot understand the choice of Sirius's brain! Why would they put Sirius's brain in the Giru-Giru, if it was true? It does not really make sense.
Please note that, from Naida's speech, it comes out the idea that Veghians have inserted the brain of any Fleedian inhabitant into each monster: consequently, they would have inserted the brain of a person, regardless of his/her age, sex, quotient of intelligence. In fact, Naida speaks of the presence of her brother Sirius's brain (a little kid!) in Giru Giru Vega Monster - and I really would like to know what kind of special performances the Veghian scientists were being expected from Sirius, or from an octogenarian, or from a baby!
But, as any good investigator, I cannot rule out any alternative hypothesis. Then, let's suppose that Veghians have begun to add some Fleedian brains to the monsters, even if unnecessary for the fights, but for another purpose: to blackmail Duke Fleed, for example. Is this a possible explanation? Well, no, even this hypothesis is meaningless. Naida tells Daisuke that Sirius's brain had been implanted in Giru-Giru, which is the Vega Monster in Ep1, and it appears when Blacky did not even assume the presence of Grendizer on Earth.
In addition, Giru-Giru participated at Vega attack on Planet Fleed Planet (see Ep2 and 7), then it was perfectly efficient to invade and destroy a planet without needing any Fleedian captive's brain.
Why then Veghians would need to add to the monster Sirius's brain to attack Planet Earth? Perhaps the child Sirius was such a champion into strategies about invading planets that the Vega scientists were so sure about the fact that, through the addition of his brain, Giru-Giru would become the ultimate weapon? In fact, from a logical point of view, simply adding any brain to any monster without giving value to combat is completely useless.
But this can be replied by saying that Grendizer, probably, has an artificial intelligence (AI) that allows it to be better than the Veghian Monsters, so a Fleedian brain in the monsters could have better opposed Grendizer. In fact, Veghian technology is inferior to fleedian technology, and, therefore, Veghians may have inserted Fleedian brains to be able to deal with Grendizer. In addition, about the problem of choosing brains that are just those of Fleed's inhabitants, it could be replicated that they were, well, the most readily available: no special preference. To countersay, it must be said that, first of all, it is clear from many suggestions in the Japanese edition that Grendizer was created by the Fleedians, it existed and it was operational when King Vega attacked the planet; furthermore, King Vega had just added some limited features to the robot. Vega does not have the same technology applied to Grendizer throughout all the anime, otherwise they would be able to replicate it in some way, and this never happens. So, supposing that there is a sort of artificial intelligence similar to that of Goldrake in Vega Monsters for me is incorrect.
Finally, another factor to the detriment of the existence of Fleedian brains in Vega Monsters is the fact that Naida, by suiciding herself against the Vega Monster Dari-Dari, implicitly would have killed, had her story been true, then a Fleedian inhabitant installed in that Vega Monster. This is the implicit proof that she herself supplies to Duke Fleed about the fallacy of her own story.
And I would like to add that, if the history of the Fleedian brains was true, then one can imagine what would have been Maria Grace's reaction, knowing such a news? Let's suppose that Duke Fleed was a son of *** and he did not care to destroy alive Fleedian brains. Considering how Maria Grace was presented to us, can one imagine that such a news could have left her indifferent?
We never see during the series Maria Grace having a problem in destroying live Fleedian brains, just like her brother. If the topic introduced in Episode 25 was true, their attitude would be inexplicable.
Now that we have proved that the story of the Fleedian brains inserted in Vega Monsters was a lie, the hypotheses that can be made to explain Naida's words in hangar are two:
1) The lie does not come from Naida, but from King Vega, who has mentally conditioned Naida, forcing her to say this lie to upset Duke Fleed.
2) The lie is not originated by King Vega, but is the result of an autonomous idea of Naida, who invents this lie to upset Duke Fleed.
I exclude a priori that both hypotheses are true: consequently, one of the two characters is lying. Who?
Let's analyze the hypothesis of King Vega imposing the lie on Naida. This is unlikely: in OV (Original Version) King Vega does not speak to Naida about Fleedian brains.
Let's suppose, however, that he said it, maybe in a scene not shown in the series. 2 Well, if you think King Vega really said off-screen this lie in OV, then the original version is pretty stupid! In fact, when someone is brainwashing a person, he must carefully choose the words to use.
In OV, King Vega tells Naida that Duke Fleed is a traitor (also, he explains why), but he tells nothing else. It is very strange, if the story of the brain implanted was true. If so, why King Vega himself does not use this good chance to upset Duke Fleed? Instead, King Vega - who should be very knowledgeable about the matter - does not think about taking the opportunity to say it to Naida. In fact, it is a mystery how the Vega Empire could have governed the universe, given the general madness streaking all the rank of Veghian army ...
It could be argued that omitting the scene where King Vega "imposed" on Naida the idea of the Fleedian brains was a clever way from the point of view of the episode writing: in this way, the scene that takes place during hangar, which is really the culmination of the episode, will not be ruined. But this observation does not solve the logical and contradictory problems raised so far.
So there is no other explanation: the story of the Fleedian brains is Naida's personal invention.
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1 Ep23: here Daisuke reveals himself to Hikaru; Ep48: this is the last story of the narrative arc in which Hikaru enters in Grendizer team.
2 A curiosity: in FV (French Version), during the torture scene, King Vega tells Naida that her brother's brain was implanted in Giru Giru and that he was killed by Duke Fleed. This dialogue is absent in the original version.
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DAISUKE AND NAIDA: AN AMBIGUOUS RELATIONSHIP
To evaluate Naida's credibility with regard to the history of the Fleedian brains, it is important trying to establish the nature of her relationship with Daisuke.
There are several factors that make Daisuke's trust in Naida not so certain, and therefore her real credibility. During the dialogue in the Research Center, in Japanese Original Version (OV), Daisuke says:
Daisuke: (...) But, if you are telling the truth...(Daisuke turns and moves away from Naida with a tense expression). If this story is true, I will never forgive such a traitor, by no means!
Please note: twice in the same sentence, Daisuke admits the possibility that Naida could lie: "if you are telling the truth," "if this story is true." Twice and in the same sentence, I repeat: a very strange thing. Clearly, Duke Fleed thinks that Naida is perfectly capable of lying. Indeed, the fact that Daisuke does not completely rely on Naida is proven by at least two elements. It was also highlighted, in the analysis of the relationship between Daisuke and Hikaru, the fact that Daisuke has been kept silence with Naida about of the existence of Hikaru, despite ep25's story was unfolding clearly over a period of time of a few weeks.
But, obviously, Daisuke had concealed to Naida also the position of Grendizer. Indeed, at the beginning of the hangar scene, Naida exclaims:
Naida: Finally I have found it.
Since Naida is relieved to see the robot (more specifically, to "find" Grendizer, as she says: in fact, you "find" something only after having searched it everywhere), obviously she did not know the exact position of the robot in the Center. Then, Daisuke did not show her Grendizer during her stay. Yet, from Naida's dialogues in the hangar, it is clear that she perfectly knew about the robot and she knew that Duke Fleed was its pilot (probably, it was a fact more generally known by Fleed's population: it was not a secret that had been revealed to her depending on her proximity to the royal family): this is even implicitly assumed by Re Vega, during Naida's conditioning. It is difficult to think that Naida did not ask Daisuke for news about the robot, but apparently she had not received the information.
So, we have no clues in favor of Duke Fleed having unconditional trust in Naida, and it is necessary to ask ourselves why. The possible explanations are two:
1) A plot hole by the screenwriters
2) On Fleed Planet, Naida had given Duke Fleed reasons to fear that she was a person he could not trust. They had never met again after the attack on Fleed, so Duke Fleed's instinctive recognition that Naida was a person he could not trust completely was due to something happened on their native planet.
Edited by joe 7 - 29/2/2020, 16:24.
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